Your Opinions Here- Tuesday's Open Debate
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 1:52PM
What are you thinking about today's news and commentary?
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Debate* other people?
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*Debate = a reasoned exchange of ideas and facts.
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Reader Comments (54)
Fernando,
I agree with Fox News Owner, and with Glenn Beck.
You are obviously ignoring the fact that Obama took sides with the professor when he was arrested by a white police officer.
Obama had to admit later on, that he did not know all the details when he said that officer Crowley "acted stupidly"- this is a huge indication of racism. Just like Sotomayor's comment about being a "wise latina that would make better decisions than a white male.
Why is it that only white people can be racist? Blacks and Latinos can use all kind of terms against whites and it's ok....they are just expressing a thought, they just want to "inspire" their own race.
Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Lou Dobs just want the Federal government to enforce the immigration laws... that's all, but most people on this blog call them racists because of that.
Radio stations transmitting in English do not blame ALL the problems we have on the illegals, that is a stupid and false accusation.
Some of your "friends" talk about not inciting hatred between races, and that is exactly what they create whit such comment. I guess to them, as long as the hostility is against whites is perfectly fine.
Se de antemano que no me vas a contestar Fernando; no solo soy parte del "grupito" como nos llamas a los que tenemos argumentos y bases para debatirte. Pero se que no les contestas ni a tus amigos que imploran tu ayuda como si fueras el mesias que va a decidir si hay reforma migratoria.
Frank por favor entra al website escrito mas adelante, y vas a escuchar como habla Rush Limbaugh de la emigracion ilegal...y saca tus propias conclusiones...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPm_TEQ0PA&feature=related
no hay ningun montaje, o alguien esta hablando por Rush Limbaaugh...son sus palabras....
de Glenn Beck, and Lou Dobs ya los he escuchado...Glen habla de mas y sin fundamento en mas de muchas de las veces, no se quien escribe para el o estan desinformados...
el que realmente llama mucho la atencion es Lou Dobs por lo serio en sus temas y el tipo de persona en su criterio agudo y la trayectoria que tiene...ha tomado el tema de la emigracion en general como algo mas que un reportaje a lo personal...
si estos dos ultimos son racistas-no lo se habra que buscar algun video o nota que muestre eso...mientras tanto lo dejo asi...
cuando hubo las marchas en marzo del 2005 si no mal recuerdo...escuche que habian por lo menos 3 millones de Canadienses, 2 millones de Irlandeses; y millon y medio de Polacos en estado ilegal en USA....nadies habla de ello....ni se critica a estas comunidades....que yo sepa...esa informacion la escuche en la radio, cuando todo empezo en Chicago...
no estoy escribiendo de si estoy a favor o en contra de una reforma en las leyes de emigracion de USA....es tema aparte...y se tu posicion como tambien de otros de los que escriben en este espacio de Cafe Espuelas, tanto en favor como en contra...
Nota: El mes pasado alguien puso la informacion del website en unos de los comentarios....por lo que vez me doy el tiempo de poder leer los comentarios de casi todos los que escriben en este espacio...
Mr. Frank,
For many months I have tried to get someone to answer the questions that I have placed on this blog in regards to the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ", and for that I have been called a RACISTS, HATEFUL, DESCRINATING, Etc, etc, etc, about the fact that people of many countries have broken the U.S.A. Immigration Laws. I am not againts " LEGAL IMMIGRATION " to this country with the QUOTAS THAT ARE GIVEN FOR EACH COUNTRY to come into the U.S.A. legally.
Other countries have the same problem with people "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS " breaking their Immigration Laws and they are treated very badly in comparison to the way the U.S.A. treats the Illegal Immigrants in this country.
My main question that I ask the posters on this blog is......" In that case why do other countries of the world have IMMIGRATION LAWS to control their borders.
Don't get me wrong, just because their CORRUPT Governments of the Illegal Immigrants don't even treat them like human beings, the U.S.A. has to put up with the influx of illegal immigrants.
I know that they are looking for jobs, but at the same time that the U.S.A. has about over 12% unemployment, we too are looking for jobs to support our families. What would happend if in one of those other countries they had over 13 million of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS " on their soil???? would they be Reforming their immigration laws to take in all of those numbers of illegal immigrants???.
I know the poster are going to say that these illegal immigants come to do the jobs that U.S.A. Citizens are not wanting to do. Has anyone forgotten about the " BRACERO PROGRAM " and the " WORK CONTRACTS " that used to be in effect some years back.
In the long and short of it is this....Laws and Laws are to be respected and enforced. Why should the U.S.A. Government pay for the broken dishes of other corrupt governments. Those governments FORCE their own citizens by not providing them the opportunity of a job so they can support their own families, education, health care, social services, Etc, etc, etc..
I also know that even Mr. Fernando Espuelas will say that the illegal immigrants pay taxes......Yes, about good 35% of them work for CASH BASIS, gardeners, cleaning homes, baby sitting, construction jobs by the day, Etc, etc, etc,....and yet their spouses or " Pareja " get free medial attention for the pregnancies, WIC, Medicaid, Etc, etc,.
I know I better stop here otherwise Mr. Fernando Espuelas will label me a BIG RACISTS. We have a lot of INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED, WELL VERSED posters on this site, why is it that all of the corrupt governments of this world do not offer the jobs and other things that all of this illigal immigrants are looking for here in the U.S.A.?????. The Euro currency is worth more than the U.S.A. Dollar, wait and see what is going to happend in the next 11 months with their ellegal immigration problems.........I know the European Countries are gong to have a lot of " Immigration Reforms " to receive into their fold the illegal immigrants.......Yeah......Right. But don't worry any longer....The President Honorable Mr. Barack Hussein Obama will take care of the 13 million illegal immigrants next year with the ABNESTY for the legalization of all of them. Happy Trails to You.
Oh,...and don't worry there will be another ABNESTY in about 12 more years for another 15 million of "ILLEAGAL IMMIGRANTS" and on....and on............and on..................and on. NICE.
Robert,
As usual you hit the nail right on the head, which is what upsets Mr. Espuelas the most.
He just can not comprehend how someone like you or me,( Latinos) can make comments of this type.
Let me tell you something Robert, Fernando is the main promoter of separatism, following his logic- Hispanics should always support Hispanics, Black should always support blacks, Whites should always support Whites and so forth and so on; Instead of saying; Let's all be united as one, we all live in this country regardless of race, skin color or creed.
He criticized George Bush all day long; Have you heard him criticize our incumbent? ..........I wonder why, he is not Mr. Perfect. ( by a long shot).
All we are saying is what the "racists of the radio" are saying. There are 13 million illegals in the country, schools and hospitals and freeways are overcrowded mainly because of that, most of them refuse to assimilate into the culture and the system, refuse to learn the English language.....what is so racist about that?.
Anyway Robert, we'll be classified again as part of el grupito, I couldn't care less and I know you are hanging in there too.
Robert L,A Meditating the facts Everything people buy has a tax
I admired your passion when you demand immigration laws to be on it.
But, let me tell you that in this particular subject I differ with you.
Millions of illegals pay taxes ( working) and at the end of the year do not file a claim.
Many work in the fields, picking oranges,grapes.etc
giving us low prices. if they go who is going to work for 6 dollars an hour, no benefits, smelling chemicals, You,Me I don't think so
Many, argued that they do not pay taxes, they're wrong everything around you has taxation, that's whay California is the State who pay the biggest amount to the federal government in Taxes California pay 400 thousand millions, getting back not even the 50%
so who is the real guilty here?
We have 40 thousand immigration officers working across the Mexico-USA border 40 thousands working in Federal immigration buildings across The Nation and 10 thousand processing immigration petitions, if we take them out many many will lose their job creating another big problem.
If we put pressure, fines, to Companies they can go to Mexico or else. Where they will get lower pay workers and low Government taxes.
we need to fix this problem wisely. whoever brake the law will be processed and deported.whoever obey the law will be here and one day will legal like you or me.
Thank you.
I hope this Examples Help you to understand the dynamic of our Country.
The reason we call them racist is because they do not like Latinos and all their attacks are against Latinos but we all know that here are a lot of illegals from europe but they do not say nothing about them they simply do not like you even though you are legal already.
Hola Gabriel,
Me tome el tiempo de ver el link que sugeriste.
Rush habla en mucho de lo que ya mencione en mi post anterior, estan cansados ellos de que vengan no solo ilegalmente, sino que no se quieran asimilar a la cultura, aprender el idioma, de que vengan a exigir "derechos"ondeando banderas de sus propios paises, en ningun momento dice que no nos quiere por nuestro color de piel, estatura o peso.
Estaba en desacuerdo con el cuando empezo diciendo que solo inversionistas o profesionistas deberia el gobierno de aceptar, hasta cuando al final me di cuenta que solo quizo enfatizar lo que el gobierno mexicano tiene como una ley. Obviamente en Mexico no te permiten laborar a menos que tengas una visa para ello y ni siquiera te permiten comprar bienes raices- Te imaginas tu que aqui imperara esa misma ley? que solo los nacidos aqui pudieran hacerse de una casa? de un terreno? es lo que los irrita tanto Gabriel, nosotros NO les permitimos a ellos derechos que nosotros venimos a exigir aqui. ( tengo que generalizar y por lo tanto incluirme por ser Latino)
Habla tambien de el por que se tienen que gastar millones en traducir al español practicamente cualquier boletin expedido por el gobierno, se gastan tambien millones en pagar a traductores en las cortes y hospitales..........conoces tu algun otro pais que haga lo mismo? yo no.
Sin duda que se informo muy bien antes de hacer el video, te agradezco la oportunidad que me diste de verlo.
___Frank
Quetion to meditate . A lot of people knows that when a white committed a crime against Latinos the punishment not will be the same punishment when in the chair of accusation is a Latino.
Now if the Judge is A latina she or he will come out with a different verdict known or based in her experience and history about discrimination against Latinos.
Now days we still finding innocent people (black and Latinos ) that police plot false proofs to protect whites and put in Jail Latinos to pay for crimes that never committed.
Furthermore after 20 years after they fight and fight for their innocence. when they reopen the case and find out that they are innocents. they can not put these police in trial because they are protect by the law
So is obvious that if you are a Latino you will come up with differents conclusion.
in my opinion is not so difficult to understand unless you are white or white brain washed
reflexion ( reflection) is needed to come out with a better conclusion.